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The 3 initial questions & answers to start with:

Question #1: Have you ever experienced vibration problems in machine drives?
Answer: Most likely YES.

Question #2: Were you able to explain these vibration problems correctly?
Answer: Probably NOT ALWAYS.

Question #3: Have you then also carried out a systematic investigation and implemented suitable optimization measures?
Answer: Probably LESS „SYSTEMATIC“ and more about numerous and time-consuming and therefore also COSTLY & EXPENSIVE TESTINGS, TRIALS, FIELD MEASUREMENTS at a venture!

 


 

Perhaps the following QUESTIONS and ANSWERS will help you.

In case of more detailed analyses incl. elaboration of more precise approaches to solutions, we can certainly help you on a project-specific basis (CONTACT).

 

Part 1: General Questions and Answers (Q & A – Basic)

Question: Why are computational vibration analyses so important? Aren't measurements also sufficient?

Answer:

A very good way to investigate the dynamic properties of drive systems is to combine measure­ment results from field tests or proto­type investigations with a computational investigation and a detailed vibration analysis (torsional and lateral / flexural vibrations) supported by practical computer models.

Measurements usually only provide an instantaneous recording at specific measure­ment locations. Using computer models and suitable simulation methods, dynamic properties can be better explained and understood. Optimization measures can thus be developed in a more targeted manner.

In this respect, we always tend towards a combined „MEASUREMENT + CALCULATION“ approach.

Especially in the context of the develop­ment and design process, computational investi­gations are absolutely necessary, since measure­ments are not yet available at this point in time.

Question: Is it possible to carry out a practical simulation already in the development stage?

Answer:

YES, we always recommend to concretely plan the computational vibration analysis (simulation) especially in the context of new develop­ments or variant designs; and also independent of whether such an investigation is mandatory (as e.g. in the case of API guidelines).

Detailed calculations and analyses with modern simulation methods are always an integral part of the develop­ment and design of new machines (or optimization of existing machines) as part of a higher-level „VIRTUAL ENGINEERING„. This way you will not be surprised by vibration problems or other dynamic effects (like NVH effects) in the future.

We have years of experience in generating practice-oriented vibration models, even if measure­ment data are not available at this point. Practical relevance therefore exists.

Question: What do typical, computational vibration analyses look like in detail?

Answer:

The vibration calculations we offer, including the necessary analyses, usually comprise four (4) processing steps:

  1. Generation of a practical vibration model (calculation model) depending on the specific task (i.e. rotor dynamic investigation and/or torsional vibration calculation)
  2. Excitability analysis (determination of natural frequencies and/or critical speeds as well as the corresponding natural modes) and interpretation of possible resonance points in the resonance diagram (Campbell diagram)
  3. Simulation (either „steady-state“ also in larger speed intervals or purely „time-dependent“); compilation of the results (graphical or tabular)
  4. Interpretation of the results (if necessary also in comparison with measurements)
    – optional as additional service: further parameter studies and elaboration of possible improvement measures
    – if necessary: model refinement or model extension and repetition of the above-mentioned work steps
Question: Can calculation models also be helpful in the context of machine (condition) monitoring?

Answer:

This is indeed a very good hint. Since machine monitoring is very often used in larger plants (such as cement plants, plants with reciprocating compressors or pumps, etc.), it is even more important to know which locations in the plant actually need to be monitored in terms of vibration in order to infer the condition at ALL important positions in the plant. For example, torsional vibrations at a coupling can be measured in terms of torque, but this may not be able to provide a direct indication of backlash at a gear stage or in a cardan shaft.

Thus, a computer model can be very helpful to perform a computational investigation on this basis in order to determine the system responses at all essential positions of the driveline – even where no measurements are or can be made.

By the way: With a suitable calculation model, measures can also be planned better and more precisely as part of predictive maintenance.

So the answer to this question is a clear YES !

Question: So can simulations also be used specifically for damage analysis?

Answer:

YES, that’s exactly how it is. Systematic vibration calculations are very helpful for the purpose of identifying and interpreting vibration problems and especially damage cases. This includes resonance investigations, but also the existence of excessive system excitations which, depending on frequency position and amplitude, lead to unacceptably high responses (e.g. torques or bearing forces) in the drive system.

However, a comparison with measurements is crucial in such a case. The computer model may have to be adapted and refined to the practical conditions in a further analysis step, so that an iterative detailed analysis is required. For this purpose, experience in this field is indispensable.

In any case, vibration calculations within the scope of damage analyses are target-oriented, which is also clearly noticeable in a minimization of processing time and costs.

Question: Are simulation models so good that one can even do without measurements?

Answer:

Unfortunately NO. Simulation models are as good as the data basis is as well as the reliability of all parameters. However, depending on the task, there are also data uncertainties (e.g. in the actual dampings), so that a calculation cannot replace a measurement across the board.

A calculation can complement a measurement and vice versa. Only in the case of development and design, the calculation must first do without parallel measurement. The verification of the calculation model then takes place later during the first commissioning.

As already said above: We always recommend the combination of measurement and calculation. Both methods must not be played off against each other.

 

Part 2: More Specific Questions and Answers (Q & A – Plus)

Question: How can Laschet Consulting help with current problems in the context of vibration analysis?

Answer:

There are many ways to provide a suitable engineering service from our side. Usually we receive a task from the customer (problem description, compilation of requirements) possibly together with an overview sketch of the drive system and – if available – also with results of already existing measure­ments and calculations. On this basis, you will receive an offer from us for a computational vibration analysis on a fixed-price basis.

In exceptional cases – e.g. in case of an unclear task or in case of pure consulting activities – we also offer our services on a variable basis according to charging rates.

Question: What engineering services are specifically offered?

Answer:

We specialize in computational studies (simulations) of vibrations in drive systems (drivelines) such as in all rotating machinery, but also in vehicles, ships, etc.

This includes:

1. TVA = Torsional Vibration Analysis (torsional vibration analyses)

2. LVA = Lateral Vibration Analysis (analysis of transverse vibrations with bearing influence)

3. RDA = Rotor Dynamic Analysis (complete analysis incl. detailed journal bearing models)

The analyses are carried out using commercial software (such as ARMD) but also including our own software tools.

Reports are prepared either in German or English. Optionally, we also present results in the context of customer-specific online meetings.

Question: Which data have to be provided for a calculation and where do you get these data from?

Answer:

The provision of data by the customer can indeed be cumbersome, as one is also dependent on the cooperation of suppliers. We offer our customers assistance in the form of a guide that summarizes the most important information on data procurement depending on the calculation model.

If necessary, we can also actively engage in dialog with suppliers at the customer’s request.

Question: Is there also an EXPRESS SERVICE in the event of problems or damage cases?

Answer:

YES, we also offer an „express service“ in the context of emergencies (damage cases); i.e. particularly fast (but still careful) computational vibration analysis for the purpose of determining the (main) cause of the vibration problem as well as also an initial presentation of possible problem solutions.

The decisive factor in typical „troubleshooting“ actions is always the solution finding (i.e. root cause analysis and not a pure analysis of „symptoms“).

Question: What do you do if the investigation needs to be expanded and supplemented, if necessary?

Answer:

Depending on the customer specification, we can also offer extended services through our partner network, both measurement services and extensive structural analyses (FEM). Depending on the customer’s requirements, we can then present and comment on the results in summary form in close coordination with our partners.

Question: Especially in rotor dynamic analyses (lateral vibration analyses) of drive systems, bearing arrangements play an essential role. Is there also a corresponding calculation service for this?

Answer:

YES, especially in the case of detailed analyses of bearing arrangements (fluid-film bearings or rolling bearings), additional calculations can be offered based on special, detailed bearing models. This plays an important role especially for drives with higher speeds (typical high speed applications).

Here we work particularly closely with our US partner RBTS, Inc.

Question: What about secrecy?

Answer:

According to our GTC (general terms and conditions), there is a mutual obligation regarding confidentiality in every case. This is a matter of course for us for a close and trustful customer cooperation.

By the way: There is also such a confidentiality obligation between our US partner RBTS and Laschet Consulting.

Optionally, the customer can also send us his own wording on the subject of non-disclosure agreement (NDA) for review in advance.

Question: Which countries (regions) are served?

Answer:

We work internationally and serve the following regions in particular:

Europe, Africa, Near/Middle East, and also India.

As a contractual partner of the US company RBTS, Inc. we also officially represent RBTS services and RBTS software products (ARMD) in these regions.

Question: Who can I contact to discuss a specific use case in advance?

Answer:

You can reserve a no-obligation, no-cost initial consultation appointment at any time via our contact page. To do so, follow the CONTACT link. We look forward to your inquiry.

Question: Is there any recommendable literature on the subject of vibration calculation?

Answer:

Under PUBLICATIONS the sources of interesting publications, technical papers, and conference papers are summarized.

Question: Are there also offers on the subject of advanced training (continuing education)?

Answer:

YES, we already offer since 2004 the highly recommended ROTOR DYNAMICS SEMINAR in close cooperation with our US partner RBTS, Inc. in form of an international technical event (from 2023: online event). Further information on the seminar program, dates and registration (incl. costs) can be found under SEMINARS.

In addition, short webinars are also offered free of charge. Topics and registration: see WEBINARS.

Question: Where can I find a suitable software solution (commercial software license incl. support and training)?

Answer:

As an official distribution partner of the US company RBTS, Inc. we offer the modular software package ARMD in different license models.

If desired, you can also book a free software online presentation; please contact us in advance, as these dates will be arranged together with RBTS.

Optionally, in addition to the software license, professional support including software maintenance (if necessary with additional customer-specific training) is also offered.

Further information under ROTOR DYNAMICS & ARMD Software.

 


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